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What Socrates Understood about Justice, Truth, and Power
February 6, 2024 - And that is what I mean when I say that in all states there is the same principle of justice, which is the interest of the government; and as the government must be supposed to have power, the only reasonable conclusion is, that everywhere there is one principle of justice, which is the interest of the stronger.” · The claim that justice is “nothing but the interest of the stronger” is a cynical one, but one Thrasymachus repeats again and again in his long discourse with Socrates.
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Power and the Pursuit of Justice | The Trott Line
July 21, 2017 - The lack of knowledge and the lack of desire for justice in his audience requires him to appeal to their desire for power in order to get them to desire justice. Not being able to directly impute knowledge of justice, not least because Socrates does not have it, Socrates only posits the idea that there is such a thing, and that such a thing would be better for those who rule and those who are ruled.
In Plato’s Republic, Socrates argues against the idea that justice is just for the advantage of the stronger.
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June 19, 2021Socrates' Justice
Fine article of Book I, but it really don't say anything about Socrates (or Platos) justice, but more of what it is not.
To explain Socrates' justice, you need more than just book I. The whole point of Book I is to present different kinds of views on justice, to start of the search of his actual conception. Besides this article concludes Thrasymachus account is disproven, yet (admittedly) almost the same account is taking up by Glaucon in the beginning of Book II. This is not refuted until the end of Book 8/9.
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November 17, 2016Socrates' Defence of Justice
It is not absurd to say that the musician is wise and the non-musician is foolish because, in this particular context, Socrates is treating justice as a tekhne. In regards to music, the musician is wise and the non-musician isn't. Regarding justice, who's the wise and who isn't? Is justice even a tekhne?
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March 10, 2017In the Republic, why does Socrates say "...justice consists in minding your own business and not interfering with other people"?
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Having succeeded in throwing doubt on Thrasymachus’ association of injustice with wisdom and goodness, Socrates now returns to Thrasymachus’ earlier contention that the unjust are ‘stronger’ (kreittōnes) than the just (347e 3–4). Even if the unjust are not wise and good, injustice may make people more powerful than justice (351a 2–3).
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Life in Plato's Republic, Part 1: Is Justice Worth it? •
May 6, 2023 - Then Thrasymachus pivots to make a different, potentially stronger argument: justice works for the advantage of the ruling class while injustice works for the advantage of those being ruled (343d). Making his point persuasively with examples, he concludes, “So, Socrates, injustice if it is on a large enough scale, is stronger, freer, and more masterly than justice.
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20th WCP: Plato's Concept Of Justice: An Analysis
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Plato’s Ethics and Politics in The Republic (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
April 1, 2003 - It is possible to understand this compulsion as the constraint of justice: the philosophers rule because justice demands that they rule. But Socrates himself suggests a different way of characterizing the compulsion. He suggests that the compulsion comes from a law that requires those who are educated to be philosophers to rule.
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June 19, 2021 - Then, ideally, Justice is for all, but in practice only Laws are for all. This is where Institution agents (judges or juries) have some few degrees of freedom to make some difference, if they are virtuous. In sum, Socrates Justice is not for this World and if I were to bet, I would prefer to make my reverences to Lady Luck than to Lady Justice, since the former probably gives better pay backs...
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Plato's 'Republic' - 5. Starting to Answer the First Question
But on Socrates’ view, justice comes before the other virtues: it is the condition of their possibility, ‘the power that makes it possible for them to grow in the city and that preserves them when they have grown for as long as it remains there itself’ (4.433b).
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Plato: The Republic | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
He also adds the claim that injustice is in every way better than justice and that the unjust person who commits injustice undetected is always happier than the just person (343e-344c). The paradigm of the happy unjust person is the tyrant who is able to satisfy all his desires (344a-b). Socrates points out that the shepherd’s concern for his sheep is different from his concern to make money, which is extraneous to the art (345c) and that no power or art provides what is beneficial to itself (346e).
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By declaring his views on justice, Thrasymachus asserts that those who act just or believe in justice are the ones at loss, as they receive no benefit. Justice according to him is solely for the ruler, who rules the city. Unlike Socrates, Thrasymachus claims that there is no advantage for the weaker to be just.
Shu University
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SOCRATES ON JUSTICE AND LEGAL OBLIGATION Donald H. J. Hermann*
Socrates himself. 33 On the nature of the law as a directive to the · individual for the regulation of conduct, it was noted that "all [such] orders are in the form of proposals, not of savage commands, and we · give . . . the choice of either persuading us or doing what we say." ' 34 · From this it follows that the obligation to law entails either confor- mity with its dictates or an effort to persuade those responsible for the
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20.4 Socrates on Justice. In Plato’s Republic, book I, Socrates… | by Daniel W. Graham, PhD | The First Philosophers | Medium
June 26, 2023 - Now Socrates invokes the Craft Analogy. “If, by Zeus, someone should ask, ‘Simonides, what appropriate thing that was owed would the craft called medicine return, and to whom?’ what do you think he would answer us?” · “Obviously medicines, food and drink, to bodies.” … · “Now then, the craft of justice, what does it return and to whom?” · “By parity of reasoning, it would return to those ...
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Plato on Power & Justice | The Art(s) of Ideology
September 10, 2016 - In the passage above, Socrates talks to Thrasymachus about their debate about justice belonging to the mightiest and fittest. Thrasymachus argues that those that are more powerful are the individuals who would determine justice and injustice such as rulers who determine the law of their land and see it as their right and nothing can make their judgement wrong.
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The Hunt for Justice (Plato’s Republic I)
May 31, 2021 - He then offers a third attempted revision to the original definition of “give to each his due.” He says, Justice is helping a friend if he truly is good, and harming an enemy if he truly is bad. The way that Socrates approaches this one is quite interesting. He says, “Polemarchus, would a just person ever harm anyone?” That’s another of those sound bites from this dialogue that can get planted in your brain like a seed and become something you think about for years.
A Research Guide
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Socrates Definition of Justice in Platos Republic - A Research Guide
August 29, 2023 - And by so legislating, each declares ... this as lawless and unjust. That, Socrates, is what I say justice is, the same in all cities: what is advantageous for the established rule....
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The Justice of Socrates' Philosopher Kings Author(s): Darrell Dobbs
only for the weak or powerless; there is no advantage, Glaucon declares, in justice or political ties for "a real man" (hos akthos · andra). Socrates makes it quite clear that Glaucon is himself · such a man · (357a2-3). True to this description, Glaucon challenges · Socrates to show · that · justice and political · life are profltable, not just for those whose preserva- tion depends upon it, but for the best and strongest ·
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Plato's 'Republic' - 1. Fathers and Sons
After the first argument, he still stuck to his definition, insisting that justice was benefiting friends and harming enemies, even though he sensed something was amiss. Here, by contrast, he is completely convinced that his definition is mistaken, and profoundly so. Moreover, he agrees to be Socrates’ ‘partner in battle’ (1.335e) against those who advocate it.
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Plato’s Republic Book One: Understanding the Nature of Justice
March 4, 2025 - "When I also say that injustice is profitable and justice isn't." ... "Yes, those who can do injustice perfectly, you said, and are able to subjugate cities and tribes of men to themselves... as to what, I said, “Socrates, I'm not unaware ...
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What is Socrates' definition of justice in The Republic by Plato? - Quora
To see how dialectics uncovers ... the right thing”. Socrates is examining the idea that to give someone back what you owe him is the paradigm of justice....
Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
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Socrates | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Analogously, ruling is always for the sake of the ruled citizen, and justice, contra the famous claim from Thrasymachus, is not whatever is in the interest of the ruling power (Republic 338c-339a). The suspicion that Socrates is an ironist can mean a number of things: on the one hand, it can indicate that Socrates is saying something with the intent to convey the opposite meaning.