The claim that 80% of women and only 40% of men have reproduced throughout human history is supported by genetic research and widely cited in discussions about human evolution and gender differences.

Roy F. Baumeister, a social psychologist, popularized this idea based on DNA studies showing that today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men. This implies that, over human history, roughly 80% of women had descendants who survived to the present, while only about 40% of men did.

This disparity is attributed to historical factors such as:

  • Polygamy, where a few dominant males fathered many children while many others did not reproduce.

  • High male mortality due to warfare, risk-taking behavior, and competition.

  • Female reproductive certainty, as every child has a mother, but paternity is less certain.

While the exact figures may vary, the core concept—that most men throughout history did not pass on their genes, while most women did—is consistent across multiple sources, including studies by Jason Wilder and colleagues (2004), and discussions in academic and public forums.

Note: The 98% figure for women is not supported by the provided sources. The commonly cited estimate is 80%, not 98%. Current data from the U.S. CDC shows about 84% of women aged 40–49 have given birth, which is close to the historical estimate but still not 98%.

This is not my area of scientific expertise. I cannot say if this study by Wilder et al is correct or not, but I can read the study and compare their conclusions to Baumeister's.

Wilder et al conclude that women outnumber men in human ancestry, but they do not conclude that the ratio is two to one. They make a different conclusion about a two to one ratio, which Baumeister incorrectly restates.

The study is based on a survey of the DNA of "25 Khoisan, 24 Mongolians, and 24 Papua New Guineans." The authors take DNA from a 2 specific places (loci) on the DNA of these people. One place is in Mitochondrial DNA (mDNA), which is inherited from the mother. The other place is on the Y chromosome, inherited from the father. They compare Y chromosomes to other Y chromosomes, to find out when the Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) was along the father's line. They do the same for mDNA for the mother's line.

From the introduction to the paper:

One of the most intriguing observations regarding the evolutionary histories of human mtDNA and Y chromosomes is that they are estimated to have very different times to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA).

A short time to male TMRCA compared to female TMRCA is consistent with the claim. Wilder et al reviews many other scientists who also observe this.

Although the reasons for this reduction in variation remain unclear, these findings suggest that mtDNA and the NRY may be influenced differently by natural selection or sex-specific demographic processes.

Other scientists have suggested an explanation of Baumeister's claim due to natural selective forces. The paper refers to the specific type of natural selective forces as "recent positive directional selection."

We see no evidence that recent positive directional selection acting on the NRY is the cause of this disparity in TMRCAs, and we instead hypothesize that there is a widespread skew in the effective breeding ratio toward an excess of females over males among human populations.

Their conclusion uses a lot of technical language. The most plain English sentence I can find was,

Instead, we favor a hypothesis whereby sex-specific demographic processes act to reduce the male breeding population size.

In summary, Wilder et al. conclude that women outnumber men in human ancestry.

Baumeister makes claims that the authors do not make. He said:

They concluded that among the ancestors of today’s human population, women outnumbered men about two to one.

Wilder et al discussed a "twofold greater TMRCA." They also discussed how "male generation time" may be greater than female generation time, as an alternate partial explanation for this. "Twofold greater TMRCA" is not the same as "women outnumbered men about two to one." In some of these paragraphs it seems like Baumeister is just making up numbers. I don't understand the mathematics of TMRCA and effective populations well enough to give you better numbers.

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October 21, 2023 - Probably Anyway, what draw me her was rather the "explanation": "“Another member of the research team, a biological anthropologist, hypothesizes that somehow, only a few men accumulated lots of wealth and power, leaving nothing for others. These men could then pass their wealth on to their sons, perpetuating this pattern of elitist reproductive success. Then, as more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again.
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This is not my area of scientific expertise. I cannot say if this study by Wilder et al is correct or not, but I can read the study and compare their conclusions to Baumeister's.

Wilder et al conclude that women outnumber men in human ancestry, but they do not conclude that the ratio is two to one. They make a different conclusion about a two to one ratio, which Baumeister incorrectly restates.

The study is based on a survey of the DNA of "25 Khoisan, 24 Mongolians, and 24 Papua New Guineans." The authors take DNA from a 2 specific places (loci) on the DNA of these people. One place is in Mitochondrial DNA (mDNA), which is inherited from the mother. The other place is on the Y chromosome, inherited from the father. They compare Y chromosomes to other Y chromosomes, to find out when the Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) was along the father's line. They do the same for mDNA for the mother's line.

From the introduction to the paper:

One of the most intriguing observations regarding the evolutionary histories of human mtDNA and Y chromosomes is that they are estimated to have very different times to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA).

A short time to male TMRCA compared to female TMRCA is consistent with the claim. Wilder et al reviews many other scientists who also observe this.

Although the reasons for this reduction in variation remain unclear, these findings suggest that mtDNA and the NRY may be influenced differently by natural selection or sex-specific demographic processes.

Other scientists have suggested an explanation of Baumeister's claim due to natural selective forces. The paper refers to the specific type of natural selective forces as "recent positive directional selection."

We see no evidence that recent positive directional selection acting on the NRY is the cause of this disparity in TMRCAs, and we instead hypothesize that there is a widespread skew in the effective breeding ratio toward an excess of females over males among human populations.

Their conclusion uses a lot of technical language. The most plain English sentence I can find was,

Instead, we favor a hypothesis whereby sex-specific demographic processes act to reduce the male breeding population size.

In summary, Wilder et al. conclude that women outnumber men in human ancestry.

Baumeister makes claims that the authors do not make. He said:

They concluded that among the ancestors of today’s human population, women outnumbered men about two to one.

Wilder et al discussed a "twofold greater TMRCA." They also discussed how "male generation time" may be greater than female generation time, as an alternate partial explanation for this. "Twofold greater TMRCA" is not the same as "women outnumbered men about two to one." In some of these paragraphs it seems like Baumeister is just making up numbers. I don't understand the mathematics of TMRCA and effective populations well enough to give you better numbers.

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December 14, 2017 - TIL that because few men reproduce with many women, 2/3 of your ancestors are female, not 1/2. Also, overall throughout humanity 80% of females end up reproducing, while only 40% of males do
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r/JordanPeterson on Reddit: Once you understand that throughout history only 40% of males reproduced, whereas 80% of females did; it explains so much about difference in behaviours.
November 25, 2017 -

(speaking from a kind of Selfish Gene perspective).

(In fact at one point it was typical for only 1 in 17 men to reproduce and get ALL 17 women. https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success)

Its rational for women to follow a crowd more, as she needs to make sure she is not one of those 20% that don't reproduce. Her odds of having 2-5 kids just depend on her not messing up too much. She better not stick out, she better conform. Don't make enemies, be agreeable and sociable and likeable. But being part of that 20% is hardwired as a huge fear.

Whereas a man, on average, is not actually going to reproduce at all, statistically. So he better take risks and find some kind of niche skill or talent that will bring in lots of resources for his tribe. Or he must go around secretly sleeping with other mens' women. Or he better be bigger and stronger and more violent than other men, so that the other men do not dare take his woman/women for fear of death. Or he must be crafty and intelligent enough to hunt a tough animal that the other men could not.

And if you are at that time 8000 years ago when 1 in 17 men would get ALL 17 women, and 16 men did not reproduce: you better be the most violent, psychopathic, cunning, intelligent, risk taking, brutal son of bitch to be the guy to cut 16 genetic lines single handedly. Or maybe a group of 10 of you take on 160 other men and take all their women.

Anyway, when you see all the people who got rich of Bitcoin, or lost/won the dotcom boom, or won whatever other games follow a power-law distribution... thats why the gender ratio is the way it is. (In fact its because the minimum commitment to creating a baby is 5 years for a woman and 5 minutes for a man - the best strategies for spreading genes for men are get resourceful and deadly enough to claim all women).

Low status and/or high testosterone men see opportunity in high risk strategies. Historically that means violent uprisings. Today, some will become nazis or communists. Or some high testosterone men have lots of one night stands around clubs and bars. One thing capitalism does well is getting the kinds of people who used to "take a huge risk to win it all" to - instead of starting a violent uprising - do a crazy high risk tech startup that either gets nothing or is worth billions. It is a net positive for society rather than a net negative.

When you look at how marketing differs between genders it follows this. Ads for men are about get-rich-quick schemes, fast cars, status objects.... how to become that top 40%, that 1 in 16. Adverts for women fear based; they tap into fear of becoming the bottom 20%, and what you must do to avoid it, how you must conform to your peers and get this product because you're-not-one-of-us if you don't.

Of course some men are quite feminine and some women are quite masculine. We are talking about means and medians but the Guassians overlap http://www.bzarg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/gauss_joint.png

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Female-to-Male Breeding Ratio in Modern Humans—an Analysis Based on Historical Recombinations - PMC
If both women and men equally contribute to subsequent generations, then the breeding ratio, β, is 1. Under skewed breeding ratio or polygamy, female-to-male meiotic contributions differ and lead to differences in the effective (breeding) population sizes, Nef and Nem, such that Nef/Nem = β ≠ 1.
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8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man - Pacific Standard
March 17, 2015 - Then, as more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again. “Maybe more and more people started being successful,” Wilson Sayres says.
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Differential reproduction for men and women.
February 14, 2018 - Today’s human population is descended ... To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced....
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December 28, 2023 -

For most of human history it seemed like only 33% of men reproduced: https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/21/11/2047/1147770/Genetic-Evidence-for-Unequal-Effective-Population

In the most selective environments there was a 1 to 17 ration of reproductive success in men: https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success.

But what is the best guess for male reproductive success (MRS) overall and during bottlenecks in human history? Were there substantial differences in the rates of MRS across Europe, Asia and Africa?

What traits were common among the men who successfully passed on their genes? Low genetic disease load? Physical prowess? Social competence? Assertiveness? Being part of the in-group? Good instincts (or impressionistic thinking)?

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It's worth noting that the percentage of men in the population who were actively reproducing has varied a lot through prehistory and history. With the advent of agriculture a much smaller percentage of men were able to reproduce than previously, and it remained that way for a long time. https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success Once upon a time, 4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture, something very strange happened to human reproduction. Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same. "It wasn't like there was a mass death of males. They were there, so what were they doing?" asks Melissa Wilson Sayres, a computational biologist at Arizona State University, and a member of a group of scientists who uncovered this moment in prehistory by analyzing modern genes. Another member of the research team, a biological anthropologist, hypothesizes that somehow, only a few men accumulated lots of wealth and power, leaving nothing for others. These men could then pass their wealth on to their sons, perpetuating this pattern of elitist reproductive success. Then, as more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again. "Maybe more and more people started being successful," Wilson Sayres says. In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man. Here's the research paper: Karmin, et al 2015 A recent bottleneck of Y chromosome diversity coincides with a global change in culture
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Answer (1 of 3): The current average in developed nations is reportedly “around” 80% for both males and females, but the data is subject to caveats. I’ll get back to that in a moment.
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Is There Anything Good About Men? And Other Tricky Questions - The New York Times
July 3, 2017 - Citing recent DNA research, Dr. Baumeister explained that today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men. Maybe 80 percent of women reproduced, whereas only 40 percent of men did.
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There are many sources on the internet claiming that only 40% of men reproduced throughout history, vs 80% of the women. Do these statistics hold any truth?

https://archive.nytimes.com/tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/is-there-anything-good-about-men-and-other-tricky-questions/

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/37926/of-all-humans-ever-born-did-most-men-not-become-fathers

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So the sources of the linked claims are from psychologist Roy Baumeister, who works heavily in evolutionary psychology (which is a field that, to be as neutral as possible, has an awful lot of controversy around it). Baumeister himself is perhaps most well known for the concept of "ego depletion", which itself is controversial. Anyway, the second link is useful because while the first just mentions a "genetic study", he at least sort of cites the study in the book, apparently. Which would seem to be Jason A. Wilder, Zahra Mobasher, Michael F. Hammer, "Genetic Evidence for Unequal Effective Population Sizes of Human Females and Males", at Molecular Biology and Evolution, Volume 21, Issue 11, November 2004, Pages 2047–2057, available here . First, very specifically, what Wilder et al are saying isn't exactly "every person has twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors", but the Most Recent Common Ancestor for mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is, on average, twice as old as the MRCA for Y chromosomes (NRY). mtDNA is matrilineal, and NRY is patrilineal. Now one thing to keep in mind: this doesn't mean that Most Recent Common Ancestors were the only humans alive at the time, nor that they were the only humans who reproduced. They are just the only ancestors who passed down still extant mtDNA or NRY haplogroups that modern humans share. It doesn't technically even mean that these ancestors don't have modern descendants, since NRY is just measuring your father's father's etc DNA and mtDNA measure's your mother's mother's etc. line. Anyway, Wilder et al. looked at three populations (a few dozen Khoisan, Mongolians and people from Papua New Guinea), and found this twice as old phenomenon in all three. They then looked at possible reasons why. One was the possibility of a genetic "sweep" - were there events that would have wiped out NRY lineages. They didn't see hard evidence for this or some sort of bottleneck. They then looked at some demographic causes, especially the phenomenon of men having children at an older age than women. They considered this too recent a phenomenon, and not really a big enough gap to explain the difference. They prefer an explanation of "moderate polygyny", ie men tending to have children with more than one woman while women tend to have children with just one man. One thing I will note is that they use as evidence the following: "An example of this phenomenon was recently described in central Asia, where Y chromosomes likely to be descendents of Genghis Khan and his male relatives can be found at exceptionally high frequencies (Zerjal et al. 2003), indicating a vastly disproportionate contribution of male members of this family to the contemporary gene pool." This is kind of a concern because that's not actually what that study is claiming - no one actually knows Genghis Khan's DNA. The study found that a noticeable percentage of Asians (8% of men in 16 Inner Asian populations, although this sometimes gets erroneously retold as "8% of Asian men") have a NRY that can be traced to Mongolia approximately 1,000 years ago. But that doesn't mean that it's directly Genghis Khan's descendants, but likely an impact of the Mongol invasions in some form (the study did not examine mtDNA). Anyway, back to Wilder et al. They also indicate that a possible cause is patrilocality - ie, the tendency for men to stay put near parents, and for a wife to move to that community. Interestingly, this actually seems to run the opposite to how Baumeister is using this study, where Baumeister claims it is the creative adventurers who had children: " If you go along with the crowd and play it safe, the odds are you won’t have children. Most men who ever lived did not have descendants who are alive today. Their lines were dead ends. Hence it was necessary to take chances, try new things, be creative, explore other possibilities. Sailing off into the unknown may be risky, and you might drown or be killed or whatever, but then again if you stay home you won’t reproduce anyway. We’re most descended from the type of men who made the risky voyage and managed to come back rich. In that case he would finally get a good chance to pass on his genes. We’re descended from men who took chances (and were lucky)." One last thing I'd note: the genetic study Baumeister references is 20 years old, and two later genetic studies determined that no, actually, male and female MRCAs were from about the same time period . But I won't/shouldn't get too deep into the genetic studies, and that's probably better suited to r/AskAnthropology or r/AskScience . But the main point I'd make is that even the study Baumeister uses is not saying what he says it does, ie that almost half of men didn't procreate, and they didn't do so because they "played it safe". Keep in mind that if a man has a son and two daughters, and that son has two daughters who in turn have their own sons and daughters, that NRY lineage is "dead" - the Y Chromosome hasn't been passed on. But that doesn't mean the man doesn't have descendants! I would say always be careful when someone outside a field cites a single study that happens to promote a very sweeping narrative.
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You might be interested in this thread where u/mimicofmodes debunks a similar claim
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January 27, 2015 - I think this difference is the single most under-appreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.
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what percentage of men never reproduce a) across history and b) this generation - LetsRun.com
May 21, 2018 - 40% that reproduce, that would be 60% not reproducing. ... I'd guess 80% and 95%. Most of the fathers out there have been cuckolded by Chads. All women are shallow, serial cheaters and it has gotten worse with the internet.
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Women are less likely to procreate in urban areas
March 18, 2021 - A new study in Behavioral Ecology, published by Oxford University Press, finds that women are less likely to procreate in urban areas that have a higher percentage of females than males in the population.
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December 28, 2022 - "Among women and men aged 40–49 in 2015–2019, 84.3% of women had given birth and 76.5% of men had fathered a child.
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More Women Have Reproduced Than Men
September 24, 2014 - A new study shows that more women than men have contributed to the human gene pool
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May 10, 2015 - I just could not believe that nearly 9/10 women have children. ... People die a lot. ... Besides the previously-mentioned problems with the statistics, all that means is that 87% of women and 81% of men have at least one child.