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Sedeprivationism is a doctrinal position within Traditionalist Catholicism invented by the excommunicated theologian Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers which holds that the current occupant of the Holy See is a duly-elected pope, but … Wikipedia
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December 19, 2025 - Sedeprivationism is a doctrinal position within Traditionalist Catholicism invented by the excommunicated theologian Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers which holds that the current occupant of the Holy See is a duly-elected pope, but lacks the authority and ability to teach or to govern unless ...
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2021 July 1, Kevin J. Wetmore Jr., The Conjuring, Liverpool University Press, →ISBN, page 57: Father Gordon in the Conjuring films was based upon Bishop Robert McKenna, O.P. (1927-2015), a longtime associate of the Warrens and Tridentine Catholic who believed in sedeprivationism; that is to say that he only performed mass in […]
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What is Sedevacantism

Sedevacantism is the position held by some people who identify as Catholic that the present occupier of the Holy See is not truly the pope due to the mainstream church's espousal of what they see as the heresy of modernism and that, for lack of a valid pope, the See has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958 or the death of Pope John XXIII in 1963.

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What is a Sedeplenist

Sedeplenist may also be used to signify the minds of Catholics who believe the Novus Ordo popes are fully fledged popes and are truly in possession of the full authority promised by Christ to Saint Peter and his successors, yet have substantially erred in the teaching of the universal ordinary magisterium on matters of faith and morals. In their perspective they believe this kind of error is possible and has occurred, so they may lawfully recognize and resist the fully seated papal authority on the most essential matters which constitute a religion: doctrine, morals, liturgy, sacramental system, code of law, and nature of government.

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What is Modernist Heresy

Modernism is the heresy of heresies, because it carries within it all previous heresies, being as it is a direct, frontal assault upon faith and all doctrine and dogma. It is liberal theological opinions developed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The term came to prominence in Pope Pius X 's 1907 encyclical Pascendi dominici gregis, which synthesizes and condemns modernism as embracing every heresy.

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3 weeks ago - After the death of Paul VI in 1978, the opportunity to do this had passed and Guérard des Lauriers was forced, by the logic of his own arguments, to adopt the position of sedeprivationism in 1979 – breaking with sedevacantism proper or “totalism” as it is sometimes called – claiming instead that the Vatican-based, post-Conciliar claimants to the Papacy were indeed Popes “materially but not formally.”
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Is Mel Gibson a Sedevacantist? Sedevacantism verses Sedeprivationism - Taylor Marshall
May 24, 2019 - The term means that there is a privation in the occupant of the chair of Saint Peter, i.e. something lacking. According to sedeprivationism, Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI were and are defective popes because ...
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Sedeprivationism, as it has come to be called, is based on a thesis by theologian Michel Louis Guérard des Lauriers, O.P. Des Lauriers’ "Cassiciacum thesis" is summed up as follows… Francis is the pope materially but not formally, expressed by a formula "papa materialiter non formaliter".
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June 17, 2019 - Unlike mainstream sedevacantism, however, there is a catch: whereas mainstream sedevacantism says that the current line of Popes is both invalid, and that there is no solution to restore the Papacy, sedeprivationism presents a way that the non-pope can become a Pope formally: by renouncing his errors of Vatican II, and getting himself ordained and consecrated by a traditionalist bishop.
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Sedeprivationism definition: The school of thought, in Roman Catholicism, that the popes from John XXIII were defective because of their modernist views.
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Sedevacantism is the position held by some people who identify as Catholic that the present occupier of the Holy See is not truly the pope due to the mainstream church’s espousal of what they see as the heresy of modernism and that, for lack of a valid pope, the See has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958 or the death of Pope John XXIII in 1963.
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January 17, 2026 - Sedeprivationism, also termed the Cassiciacum Thesis, is a doctrinal stance within Traditionalist Catholicism asserting that the individuals elected to the papacy since the Second Vatican Council poss
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St. Isidore forum · ► Thomism · ► Theology · ► Sedeprivationism · Started by Kephapaulos, November 11, 2016, 04:45:52 AM Previous topic - Next topic · 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Print · Go Down Pages1 · User actions · Print · Go Up Pages1 ·
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Answer (1 of 3): The main problem is that it implicitly removes the Church heirarchy from claims to authority by dividing between the material (content) and formal (structural) papacy, affirming one but rejecting the other. The Pope occupies a role in the Church analogous to a bishop in his dioce...
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September 14, 2022 - On the other hand, the RCI, St. Gertrude, and CMRI are in rift over ideas concerning the proper doctrine of the Papacy. The RCI holds a unique position on the structure of the papacy itself called Sedeprivationism (the specifics of which are not important for the scope of this article).
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March 12, 2025 -

Can someone try to to refute this position? I’ve heard about it before I’m curious if anyone can provide me a good refutation

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If the Popes are capable of authoritatively teaching heresy and the world's bishops in near unanimity can define and declare heresy in an ecumenical Council, and the papacy can be impotently held for generations, if not centuries or even forever, lacking their sacramental, teaching, and even liturgical authority, then the Catholic Church is dead and probably always was - that's the problem of sedeprivationism. The papacy lost it's true authority now? At least Protestants offer a more realistic end date around the time of Constantine. Sede theology - when you really dig deep - boils down to "I miss ad orientem so let's blow the whole thing up, pack it up, and End Times LARP." One has to be simultaneously profoundly blind to the far more murky, terrifying, abusive moments in the Church's history where the papacy was outright bought and sold or passed on to nephews, where the papal court was treated as little more than a bordello, when there was actual confusion about who even held the Seat with three or more competing claimants (sometimes with the real Pope reigning over the smaller faction) and also naive enough to then believe the Church collapsed during usual business in the 1960s. It requires one to have absolutely no faith in the Church at all. Martin Luther beheld a Church in it's darkest moments and even then his premise was flawed. I have seen some of the most aboherent rad-trad Twitter accounts gleefully share images of Satan pitchforking Luther in Hell. ... And then they post their own neo-Lutheranism (replacing his earned outrage for abuses with their inane whining.) It's Catholicism without certainty or hope and it's Protestantism with dynamism or coherence. Sedevacantism/privationism is the very worst of both worlds, a theology that would prefer to see the Church disintegrate if only to validate their liturgical preferences. What do sedes, even those "open" to the possibility that the Church is only sleeping and not entirely dead, really want to hear? They want a repudiation and retraction of a Church Council? And then what? Will other bishops insist we "revisit" Chalcedon or Nicaea or Trent or Florence? We are to be a Church of the Councils built on the Rock of Peter and yet we are then to regroup insisting we never really believed in the integrity of those Councils or the Petrine Office to begin with?
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Sedes have to prove their claims, it’s not on us to refute them. But, as a heuristic, if you find yourself on the other side of the whole church, you are wrong. My experience with sedes is that many overestimate their intelligence and are wired for conspiratorial thinking.
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The Heresy of Sedeprivationism
Sedeprivationism is an ideological school or party of the "Traditionalist Catholic" movement that follows the principles of the late French theologian Michel Louis Gu�rard des Lauriers, O.P., as Des Lauriers set it out in his thesis published in the "Cahiers du Cassiciacum" and therefore ...
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Sedeprivationism
Sédéprivationnisme — Au sein du mouvement traditionaliste catholique, le sédéprivationnisme est une école idéologique ou un parti qui suit les principes du défunt théologien français Michel Louis Guérard des Lauriers, o.p., tels qu ...
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Sedeprivationism is a doctrinal position within Traditionalist Catholicism invented by the excommunicated theologian Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers[1] which holds that the current occupant of the Holy See is a duly-elected pope, but lacks the authority and ability to teach or to govern ...