Now before you think I'm one of those 'git gud' idiots let me explain when I started to play ds I was prepared for the worst you know getting angry throwing my controller you know the usual ds experience but I just crused through the game I only had a few problems like the two knights in anor londo you know those assholes and ornstein and the fatass and even then my problem with o&s is not the fight itself it's the two giant assholes in the hall with their fucking helperds after that it was to lost izleth which I don't hate but find disappointing even the bed of chaos was a bit disappointing and really annoying

My point is i love this game everyone who plays it and I hope we all have a good day

I've heard several times that Dark Souls isn't close to being the hardest game ever made both on this subreddit and in the Steam Community Hub. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this point of view, I'm just curious as to what people think are "the hardest video games ever", so that I can try them out and see for myself. Thanks in advance.

I never played a Dark Souls game in my life. I usually like games with a bit of challenge, but not to the point where I sweat and get frustrated. I always hear that Dark Souls is impossible, is that an exaggeration? I plan to start Dark Souls 1 tomorrow, I just want to know what I'm getting myself into. Also, are the achievements for DS1 easy? I'm an achievement whore lolol.

I've really wanted to play this game for teh longest time, and am thinking of giving it a go.

But the one thing that's putting me off is the famed difficulty of the game. I don't want to play a game where I need to invest hours upon hours of doing the same thing over and over to be able to beat the game.

Let me give a few examples.

I really enjoyed Hollow Knight. Except God Home has soured the game for me.

I initially really enjoyed Celeste, but I got so tired of it by the end that I have only beaten the story and have no interest in going back.

I think what I mean by hard is how tedious si the game. How many times do you have to do the same thing over and over to be able to learn a pattern to beat the game.

Seriously, how can anyone make such a statement? And I feel like this somehow gets mainstream here on reddit... Whenever someone wants to brag how difficult a game is they compare it to Dark Souls and then people swarm the discussion claiming DS isnt that difficult. I understand it as a counter reaction to tall the "DS is soooooo hard" statements and from veterans who played each game 1000+ hours in PvP but lets step back a bit and look at the games with some objectivity.

• DS games are one of the few RPGs with always limited healing items (DS2 excluded)

• Basic enemies that can kill a player with 3-4 hits, also stunlocking and no "waiting" so battles several enemies at once is dangerous even with weak enemies

• No tutorial bosses. The first one already is a challenge

• You lose all XP towards the next level when dying, you pay with XP for items

• No pausing the game

• NG+...

• You can overpower yourself and go for boss weaknesses but each game has at least a few bosses that you simply cannot outlevel enough to just trade blows with them

• There are few games on the market today that you will find so many "too difficult", "unfair" discussions on the internet with so many people with stockholm syndrom (like myself... ;) ) who defend the games against any claim they are unfair while preying no one looks at their post history to find they opened exactly the same kind of discussions before they got gud.

Anyways, DS games are not impossible and once you know most enemies, patterns, traps (I though the game wasnt about unfairly treating new players? ;) ) and hidden items the games get manageable but that is the nature of difficult games. Somewhere the is someone who played ghost and goblins for 1000 hours and can speed run the game without dying but that doesnt mean the game isnt super difficult.